Tales From a lot episode 18 always

feeling like some 69 I got CP here to

talk five six ninety at Cal State the 48

Laws of Power and the fine wine that is

the Grateful Dead music catalog here we

go

hi welcome to Tales from the lot I'm

will my guest today is CP from Tucson

Arizona you should talk about five six

ninety at Cal State and a bunch of other

stuff too I'm sure so how's it going CP

good how you doing will awesome man

thank you so much for uh for coming on

here I really I really appreciate it of

course um so uh so let's just dig in so

like uh what what are you what were you

into prior to the Grateful Dead

musically

it was you know classic rock I I grew up

in the uh in the 70s and 80s so when I

um I think my first concert my very

first concert that I went to was Oingo

Boingo and they were really big you know

like the mid 80s and my I remember my

dad drove me and my buddies there we'd

you know dropped us off at there we were

like now leave you know and we went in I

don't remember probably 14 or 15 you

know right so that was their song huh I

know the band but what's their big song

I I can't like Dead Man's Party only a

lad I mean they're so they had so many

hits you know because it's Danny Elfman

and now he does all those movies right

so it that was that was my first

experience like kind of being out in a

in a crowd and and uh and doing that

then then we started getting into

classic rock so I went to rush

um

which a lot of palooza and you know all

those bands that were there the first

Lollapalooza back like Perry Farrell

yours uh Jane's Addiction and right and

iced tea it was pretty wild Susie and

the Banshees so you know a lot of it was

classic rock and then alternative like I

guess I don't even know what alternative

is now because I pretty much just

listened to you know this kind of music

um

but yeah that's kind of how it was yeah

in the 90s I like I I found the dead and

was just like oh I got my dead blinders

on now yeah yeah well yeah so I remember

I mean I remember hearing of the dead

and there was there was a you know a

smaller group of of guys and gals at my

high school that kind of like the dead

and they had the t-shirts and all the

stuff you know and and I didn't really I

don't know it did it really

wasn't calling to me I guess I think I

heard some music and I was like I don't

know whatever I don't know you know I

wasn't ready I guess and um then you

know then I probably heard Truckin or

Casey Jones some one of like the the

ones to draw you in you know right it

was more poppy kind of more like this

other stuff but I just remember like

when I first heard it like certainly

nothing like you know Dark Star would

have resonated at that time right

um and I wasn't really uh and I was

pretty much just a drinker you know so

in in high school we drank maybe puffed

a little bit but but mostly drinking so

I don't think I was vibrating at the

right level for uh yeah for this yet

yeah I'm right there with you as we were

talking uh right before we started here

we're right about the same age so yeah

same boat with you I was you know I was

definitely not doing much other than

drinking some Miller Genuine Draft or

something yeah

yeah elicited to some uh some classic

rock which you know my local station

would sometimes play Truckin I remember

yeah and then I remember later on after

I found the band realizing oh that song

that kept playing that I always liked

right that's okay yeah it's funny

because I think that that happened a lot

with me where it was like oh I didn't

realize that was the debt you know I

think when Touch of Gray came out

although wouldn't it Touch of Gray come

out it was midnight was it late 87 or 88

87 or 88 I think so that came out and

then they were sort of more you know

mainstream-ish because they were on the

radio more

um but but still it just didn't really

it was like whatever you know they had

some hits just like all the other bands

pretty much back then you know you'd

listen to the because you're on the

radio like it's it's so the musical

experience is so different now and then

also you know being a a deadhead it's

also different in that you know you kind

of focus on that catalog and and the

live music

um

well

it's a good time to be alive though if

you're deadhead because I mean you

really every show

every show is at your fingertips like

yeah if you're feeling like some 69 you

can go get yourself some 69. always if

you want some 69. yeah I I had just to

reiterate that and then you know if

you're feeling like some 89 or even some

Cal State six five six ninety right at

your fingertips like today like yeah

I think the first there's the one you

have to pay for I can't remember what

it's called and I don't know if we're

allowed to say it on here but that you

know an app debt is it nugs or

yeah yeah nugs and I had that and I

thought that was cool but I I couldn't

find my show on there and this is a

while you know a while back when it was

kind of newer and then then somebody

showed me re-listen

and I was like holy moly what why didn't

somebody tell me about this and then

he's like I am telling you about it you

know but no and then somebody else

earlier and uh then I found my show

right I was like oh I found omega's

Hills

and when I played it

I played it without looking at the set

list because I wanted to just listen and

I'm like holy [ __ ] I I can't believe I

got this as my first show you know like

I had no idea and I'd add

like

I mean I appreciated it because it was

the first time that we had that I ever

took LSD

but

I didn't really know a lot of the songs

right like it's so winter like I

remember Terrapin playing

and you know the clouds are doing their

thing they're swirling and and um and uh

just like what what oh my what is this

you know like and it was like boom I

mean that was it I was hooked from

Terrapin like it was just like I can't

believe this this is like a you know

it's like a mat it's like an orchestra

or something you're just going how are

they doing that how is a band doing that

and then like when they were you know

when they were going from one song into

another you know I was like did they

just like fade into another you know I'm

like you know trying to figure it all

out and and then you know obviously

with the help of um The increased

serotonin and all that it was pretty

wild

yeah right there with you that was the

first time I'd ever done and looking at

the set list I see there's a a few

similar songs like my my first show

opened up with a half step also but uh I

also noticed there's a standing on the

moon at your first show which that's the

song like I had a great time I as you

same as you I wasn't real into it before

I got there but my buddy sort of

convinced me to go and I yeah and I took

a little LSD and and it turned into a

great thing from from note one of half

step but standing on the moon uh just

the lyrics of it and uh and just what it

was about you know you know it may not

have been a situation that I've been in

or or whatever but but I understand the

lyrics and and the heaviness of how they

present that song and every other song

too uh yeah but that's that's where I

just really got the storytelling this

happens uh with the Grateful Dead was in

that was standing on the moon yeah I

didn't like

I don't remember standing I don't

remember it from the show like I

remember Terrapin and then it went into

drums and I like laid on the ground and

you know I think I zoned out and got

back up around when throwing stones came

on and I hadn't even heard throwing

stones you know so I was like what you

know and everybody's doing you know

dancing and doing the thing and and and

I was just like this is the most amazing

thing ever right like this is just

unbelievable

and then love light I was like this what

what's this you know and I didn't know

any of the names of the songs and and I

was just like I was just hooked like it

was they got me you know

and uh how quickly were you on to to see

in other shows after that

so this is

I'm I'm a junior like I mean I got home

you know we got home fairly late like

and then

and somebody from our group apparently

went there were there were a bunch of

like notables at this show like a lot

like the all the like you know

um

I don't like I want to say Casey but I

don't know if it was Keys it was it was

either kisi or Timothy Leary and I don't

know if one of them was dead and I'm

doing this wrong or whatever but one of

those guys was there and and ended up

like a couple of my buddies like ended

up somewhere with like their group and

they had like a a tank in their place

and like a whole they had a whole

experience we went home like we went out

and tried to eat which you know that was

fairly difficult to power a burger down

uh and I remember we went to this place

in in Pasadena that was like

like more of more of a like gang banger

hangout and we're in our tight eyes and

you know the only ones in tie-dye's in

the place and and we just it was it was

crazy tripping and then we forced this

food down went home and I couldn't sleep

you know how you can't sleep and and the

fan was singing like it was like

replaying the concert the whole time

while I was trying to nod off eventually

fell asleep

but that was why I remember coming over

my first day June I was like I was not

ready to sleep at all just replaying

from from pulling into the parking lot

you know yes all the way through yeah

yeah like the what an experience that

was you know yeah and the anticipation

of holy [ __ ] when can I work out doing

that again right yeah and so I don't

know if the next one was a dead show but

I did go to I went to so between

between this you know that show and then

when Jerry died

um I went to a good amount of Dead shows

like mostly in Vegas like I'd go to all

the Vegas ones all the Phoenix ones and

then maybe somewhere you know some in

California and then we'd go to uh Jerry

band and we'd go to Bob and Rob and I

really like Bob and Rob that was a lot

of fun yeah it was wild

just those two guys doing that you know

like that was

that was something I had a few tapes and

and I I played them all the time uh a

big fan of Bob and Rob but I never get a

chance to see him and I did you go to

any Jerry band

no not no no oh man it was like it was a

whole different thing like it was just

ah you know it was just

you know he's playing so much Dylan and

it was just it was just phenomenal like

the those shows and that was a lot of

the Motown goodness of that too with the

yeah with the background singers so

soulful

yeah I love Jerry and I my favorite

Jerry is in Jerry Garcia band I mean

he's great in the dead too but there's

just something about the soul uh that

goes on in jgb between him and Melvin

and and just all yeah it was so so solid

and like just like you'd be at such

peace we went to one like I don't know

it was at a beach it was like somewhere

like maybe it was Ventura

once they've entered maybe it was

Ventura I don't know it was it was at

some beach and um it was phenomenal and

we we did that one then Jerry's we went

on Jerry's 50th we were at Irvine

Meadows

and

um one of my one of my but well I went

with my two two buddies uh this guy

Jared this guy John and John had this

really cool like it had the wood

the Wood Pipe and then it had like this

granite and and he said well in the

parking lot we we ate a bunch of

mushrooms and then we had we also had

LSD I don't know what the thinking was

behind that but this is you know

Early College thinking and then we got

in and he pulled that pipe out and he

had like a you know half ounce or an

ounce he had a ton and and he said we

are gonna Smoke 50 bowls for Jerry's

50th birthday today and we I I mean if

we didn't hit it we were damn close but

you know it was a wild it was a wild

long day and but the wow yeah it was

amazing that was a good time speaking of

the day I was going to ask you about

that Cal State show was that was that an

early show because I noticed when they

were playing feel like a stranger

they're talking about it's a it's going

to be a long long crazy afternoon yeah

it was dead it was like a game early

show yeah we got there like it I mean we

got there in the morning like we were we

were there in the morning like drinking

and then

I think 10 or 11 we probably took the

you know

little tabs and then

um

so there were two there was my buddy

Dave who drove and and he's like

I drove to Canada with him he's really

cool dude he lives in Nicaragua now like

that makes chocolate and Nicaragua like

just typical you know path of the dead

head does something yeah and um

this other guy Brian and Brian hadn't

ever done it either and he he was like

same boat hadn't ever been to a dead

show hadn't ever taken you know Austin

and uh

I feel so weird saying it on here so I

say it real fast like it is it the same

as saying it this is a safe space

it was in the past so it's okay right

and it's all hypothetical anyway because

yeah it doesn't exist so no no it's all

simulation it is

um

yeah and so Brian Brian and I were

having a like when it came on you know

like

especially the first time like it came

on and I remember distinctly like

somebody walking along with the tie-dye

and like you know it turned on like the

the tie-dye was alive like the lights

turned on it was doing its thing and I

was like I like you know we were playing

like cats with the Frisbee or something

and I like it

I saw this tied and I'm like wait what

what the hell is what's going on you

know like they're like oh yeah they must

you know the tie dyes are on now you

know and it was like holy crap and

that's when it took off and then like

shortly thereafter

like somebody with the Frisbee had hit

some guy it hit this guy in the nose and

like you got a bloody nose and started

squirting everywhere and like I didn't

think anything of it you know but this

guy Brian like he saw it and it like

he he lost it and so he like you know I

guess you'd call it bad trip right like

he just was like

like he was comatose the entire time

like we had to walk him in to get him to

the blanket then it was like he had a

blanket over his head like he was just I

just wanted to you know was that it was

like and I would go try to help him and

then my buddy Dave's like no you have to

stay away from him

he's he's okay don't worry about him you

need to take care of yourself and just

focus on the show you know yeah let him

write it out and I'm like okay you know

you're like listen to your the expert

that's one year older than you know

yeah but um yeah poor guy he said I

remember every the next time next day

he's like I'm never having that again

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and we went to about we went to a lot of

Vega shows so and probably was like

there's a couple guys I could get on

here that would be interesting and fun

to hear from

um I would love to yeah yeah yeah yeah

you've got my email send them on over

Vegas Thomas and Max Center or something

is that Sam Boyd silver bull oh yeah

yeah that's right that's right they

might have played at Thomas and Mack at

some point but I was always at the

silver bowl we'd go stay at Sam's Town

in Henderson and then silver bowl is

right there well pretty close you know

like you could take a cab they didn't

have Uber obviously

I don't know if anybody if the younger

listeners know what a cab is but I need

to take a cab you would you would go to

a phone booth and call a cab and yes

they don't know what any of those things

are

using a quarter

yeah yeah and I would look it up in the

back yeah all these things right like

they got out of it yeah

hmm

they um I I one show that I really

remember well was Dave Matthews opened

and I remember like who's Dave Matt you

know at that time was like who's this

guy and like he really got the crowd

going like it was it was a lot of fun

like he opened and did a really good job

uh there was it was like and then it

started pouring rain

uh so it was like one of those shows

where you're down on the floor of this

place just getting soaked the whole time

thunder lightning it was crazy and they

they didn't

they didn't like call it off or I mean

there was like lightning like a crazy

thunder and then um so anybody that was

there you know at this at this

particular one would remember because at

the it was the um

The Encore it was either The Encore the

end of the first set Was Here Comes

sunshine and they hadn't played here

comes sunshine and I don't know you know

the older guys who are now probably 90

are saying or like they haven't played

that in 27 years you know it was like

some big deal whatever it was 20 years

or 15 years I don't know but that was

cool and it was like as they were

playing it the rain stopped the you know

the clouds open the sun was like it's

just like how did they do that you know

maybe they're magic like that I remember

when they did start playing that song

again everybody was helping you know me

with the that was a sign that they were

going to start bringing back a whole

bunch of old stuff because yeah it was

like

so long yeah between when they they

started playing that one again and then

you know eventually we did get unbroken

chain and yeah and a few other things

yeah that that hadn't been played in a

while no all right did you keep going

all the way up through 95 and yeah I

mean we yeah uh I think the last show

was

it was either Vegas or or Phoenix like

we'd go to Compton Terrace and then I

think that they they might have played a

desert sky it was called Desert Sky but

then I don't know what it's called now

but that sounds familiar Compton Terrace

was like

was like you know just

a dirty Amphitheater like it was like

some you know like some seats and then

like just this dirt like it was like a

parking lot like dirt parking lot but

that was the grass right

and people would just die just had a it

had like a chain link fence like that's

all it had was it chain link fence and

yet people you know as soon as it got

dark it's like people are hopping that

thing

and then a desert sky hopped at one time

that was a big wall

but I wouldn't do that now you know it

was different different values

Yeah well yeah of course yeah I I

considered doing it but I know I never

did that and I was at that Deer Creek

show too when uh everybody started

busting the gate down and coming through

yeah that was tough day you know the

part about being young is that's where

you learn about the bad the bad choices

that you make or the you know choices

that's right you have to make those bad

choices in order to make good choices

later

to learn and plus the good choices look

so much better after you've made those

bad choices

what's the deal with that what's the

deal

all right

so all right so before we wrap up I like

to also ask about uh is there anything

that's been on your radar as far as like

maybe a new band or some book you read

or something that that really you were

like wow that's that's profound well I

stumbled upon this podcast

very profound no doubt yeah and look at

now I own a dark star shirt

and it's like you know Shakedown

t-shirts yeah did we talk we I don't

know if we do we talk about this on here

where we were talking about Trucking oh

yeah that's how we yeah how I found it

but it's like you know to get to the

point I think it's a couple year stretch

to get to the point where you're

listening and liking Dark Star right

like dark star and the other one and you

know like those are the tougher ones to

enjoy I think you know they're not the

ones I can grab you right it's like they

don't have any more right it's like once

you've okay I've gone through everything

I need more and then you're like oh I

get it you know like with fish like if

you if you play the whole

what's that you know the whole story I

don't know what it's called I can't

remember what it's called his master's

game hinge thing yeah game hinge thing

you know I think that's kind of it's

funny I think it's pretty cool but

you're probably not gonna be pulled into

fish by listening to that you're gonna

be like what the hell is this right so

like some of it is is like a uh like a

wine right like it needs to age a little

bit or do you need to age a little bit

maybe

yeah that's part of it too yeah just

being the right right space and ready

for it yeah so I like I got a bunch of

shirts and I think they're awesome so

that's that's pretty cool

oh yeah love that what else

um

yeah I don't know books I I mean I buy

so many books but mostly business books

like marketing stuff

um you know we got marketers on here man

lay it on us

what lay it on lay it on we got

marketers listening to this show right

keep their people right now maybe

everybody's heard of this this was

called you know dude who's driving in

your car right now on the way to work

who's working in marketing this is for

you

I don't know I just thought it was

interesting it's called

um 48 Laws of Power

and it's it's really cool

I mean this guy's kind of you know I

guess he's a little controversial

because the subject matters can be

controversial but it's like these laws

and then he it's really interesting

because he'll ex he'll explain it and

then categorize that thing and then or

he'll have the judgment on it like so

like here law number two

never put too much trust in friends

learn how to use enemies and this is all

as it relates to business right so

judgment be wary of friends they'll

betray you more quickly for they are

easily aroused to Envy they're also

become spoiled and tyrannical but hire a

former enemy and he will be more loyal

than a friend because he has more to

prove in fact you have more to fear from

friends than from enemies if you have no

enemies find a way to make them and then

he like then he ex then he gives

examples like like uh midnight Century

uh Michael III assumed the Throne of

Byzantine Empire and he'll explain like

using this well and then and what

happens and then not using it well and

what happens but using history to

explain it so it's pretty cool like I I

thought it was like they're interesting

Concepts you know I don't know that

maybe everyone is actually a law but you

know it's an interesting read

my podcast which I'm not going to talk

about because of the things I've said

um

I uh I'm actually doing 48 episodes on

the 48 Laws so I'm doing one for each

episode

okay okay yeah interesting just talk

about it because it is interesting you

know and you know like the you do the

thing and you learned something right

like it's fun to do the podcast because

you actually learn things from doing it

from the people you meet so I'm sure for

sure yeah yeah that's that's why I asked

that question because I I I'll people

turn me on to all kinds of interesting

things all the time yeah all right cool

all right CP thank you so much for being

on the show I appreciate you coming on

telling your story it's been fun thank

you for having me it's an honor

ah ah thank you so much all right until

next time I need to go because I want to

go get a t-shirt